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Title: JCIC-XXXIII: (U) WORKING GROUP MEETING ON B-52

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SUBJECT: JCIC-XXXIII: (U) WORKING GROUP MEETING ON B-52 
ELIMINATIONS AT DAVIS MONTHAN, NOVEMBER 20, 2008 
 
REF: A. OIR FROM OCTOBER 2008 DATA UPDATE INSPECTION AT 
        DAVIS MONTHAN AFB 
     ¶B. GENEVA 2574 JCIC-XXXI-020 
 
Classified By:  Jerry A. Taylor, United States Representative 
to the Joint Compliance and Inspection Commission. 
Reasons:  1.5(b) and (d). 
 
¶1.  (U) This is JCIC-XXXIII-018. 
 
¶2.  (U) Meeting Date:  November 20, 2008 
                Time:  3:30 P.M. - 4:30 P.M. 
               Place:  U.S. Mission, Geneva 
 
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SUMMARY 
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¶3.  (S) A Working Group (WG) meeting was held at the U.S. 
Mission on November 19, 2008, to address an issue that arose 
during a Data Update Inspection (DUI) at Davis-Monthan Air 
Force Base (AFB) on October 18, 2008.  The Russian delegation 
stated that Russian inspectors included two ambiguities in 
the official inspection report (Ref A).  The Russian 
Delegation stated that the United States had undertaken 
elimination procedures for certain B-52 heavy bombers without 
the proper notifications required in the Treaty.  The U.S. 
delegation explained that this issue was discussed in 
JCIC-XXXI (Ref B), and the U.S. understanding was that the 
issue was resolved.  The U.S. delegation explained that these 
heavy bombers are used for aging and surveillance activities, 
and had not been eliminated nor had the elimination process 
been initiated. 
 
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OPENING SALVOS 
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¶4.  (S) At a WG meeting at the United States Mission on 
November 19, 2008, Yaguchi opened the meeting and gave the 
floor to Ryzhkov.  Ryzhkov said the United States started the 
elimination process of certain B-52 heavy bombers at 
Davis-Monthan without providing any notifications.  Russia 
further wanted to remind the WG that during a previous 
session a presentation was provided by Kuz'min which outlined 
Russian concerns and then handed the floor over to Kuz'min. 
 
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HEY, WHO CUT THE...B-52 
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¶5.  (S) Referring to the October 2008 inspection report from 
a Davis-Monthan AFB Data Update Inspection, Kuz'min said that 
inspectors noted that six B-52s had almost completed the 
process of elimination and one B-52 had completed elimination 
without any preliminary notifications.  After exhaustive 
reference to the Treaty's notification protocol and various 
notification formats (57, 61 and 3), Kuz'min referred to the 
elimination of a B-52 ground trainer at Rome, New York.  He 
said the United States correctly followed the conversion or 
elimination protocol to eliminate the B-52 from START 
accountability. 
 
¶6.  (S)  Turning to Russian concerns with B-52's at Davis 
Monthan, Kuz'min said that in JCIC-XXXI the U.S. had 
explained that tail assembly cuts for certain B-52's at Davis 
Monthan were for studying strength capacity.  He noted that 
the U.S. delegation had said that when the U.S. was prepared 
to eliminate the heavy bombers, it would issue the 
appropriate notifications. 
 
¶7.  (S) Kuz'min said that during the DUI, in October 2008, 
the Russian inspectors' attention was drawn to cuts made in 
the tail section and fuselage observing that the cuts were 
made not at assembly joints.  Additionally, the inspectors 
specifically saw the tail section severed in different ways 
on different aircraft and also that the cuts were made in the 
skin of the aircraft.  He asserted that the cuts were not 
made with an abrasive cutting tool.  Kuz'min alluded to the 
meaning of the word "assembly joint" and the notion of 
returning the dismantlement back to its initial state.  He 
said that during the inspection, Russian inspectors observed 
that the B-52 cuts were not at the assembly joints and were 
made in an irreversible manner thus precluding being able to 
restore the aircraft to its initial condition.  For this 
reason, Russia believes the United States did not follow the 
Treaty requirement to provide the required notifications 
dealing with the elimination of heavy bombers. 
 
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MY PICTURES ARE BIGGER THAN YOURS 
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¶8.  (S) Kuz'min then reinforced his presentation by using 
B-52 photos of the B-52's in question that were made during 
the October 2008 inspection and appended to the inspection 
report indicate to indicate the location of the tail section 
cuts and reiterated that the cuts were made in an 
irreversible manner. 
 
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OUR BELOVED U.S. LEADER RESPONDS 
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¶9.  (S) Yaguchi thanked Kuz'min for pointing out the 
successful elimination of the B-52 ground trainer at Rome, 
New York and stated that elimination of the ground trainer 
exemplified the United States' knowledge about the 
elimination process and notification requirements.  Yaguchi 
pointed out that the B-52s had not been eliminated and nor 
had the elimination process begun.  Furthermore the aircraft 
remained accountable and inspectable under the Treaty and 
that they are undergoing aging and surveillance activities 
which were permitted under the Treaty.  Moreover, the United 
States did not intend for the structural cuts to be 
associated with the beginning of the elimination process. 
 
¶10.  (S) Yaguchi added that should the United States decide 
to eliminate any of the B-52s listed in the inspection 
report, they will be eliminated in a manner consistent with 
the provisions of the CorE Protocol. 
 
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AND NOW FOLKS, THE REST OF THE STORY 
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¶11.  (S) Ryzhkov responded that this was not a very sensitive 
issue with the Russian Federation because heavy bombers were 
eliminated not created.  He understood that the United States 
had not started the elimination process of heavy bombers and 
believed the United States activities were in compliance with 
the Treaty.  Simply, when Russian inspectors were in the 
field and observed situations, like at Davis-Monthan where 
B-52s had cuts in them, they made comments in the inspection 
report.  From the inspectors viewpoint, it appeared as though 
the elimination procedures had been initiated on these 
airplanes.  Ryzhkov stressed that he did not want to make the 
situation more strict or more dramatic and urged the United 
States to think about how to resolve the issue. 
 
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ANOTHER WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU 
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¶12.  (S) Smith thanked Ryzhkov for not making this a more 
serious issue and further clarified the United States' 
position that the B-52s were fully accountable and 
inspectable under the START Treaty and when the United States 
decided to eliminate them, the United States would make all 
relevant notifications and all appropriate cuts.  Yaguchi 
concluded the discussion by stating that the United States 
would take the issue back for further study. 
 
¶13.  (U) Documents exchanged:  Eight B-52 photographs taken 
during the October 17, 2008 DUI at Davis-Monthan AFB. 
 
¶14.  (U) Participants: 
 
U.S. 
Mr. Yaguchi 
Lt Col Comeau 
Mr. DeNinno 
Mr. Dunn 
Mr. Fortier 
Mr. Hanchett 
Ms. Bosco 
Mr. Smith 
Maj Edinger 
CDR Rust 
Mr. Vogel 
Mr. Smith 
Mr. French (Int) 
 
RUSSIA 
 
Col Ryzhkov 
Capt(1st Rank) Kuz'min 
Col Novikov 
Col Zaytsev 
Ms. Komshilova (Int) 
 
UKRAINE 
 
MGen Fedotov 
 
BELARUS 
 
Mr. Ponomarev 
 
¶15.  (U) Taylor sends. 
TICHENOR 
 
 
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